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  1. We’d be really interested to hear reaction and feedback from the community on this opinion piece; please leave any thoughts you’d like to share here in the Comments section.

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  2. First a disclaimer: I don’t particularly like morpholinos. Frankly, I don’t know anyone who does…

    However, I think the approach outlined in the last paragraph sounds reasonable on the face of it, but should be toned down a little. The main reason being that of where to draw the line. For instance, if an MO phenotype generally recapitulates the mutant but someone describes a phenomenon in a particular cell population only in either the MO or induced mutant, would this be bounced in review? I can see the lack of corroborating mutant data being used as a rather blunt tool during peer review to bounce papers, along the lines of “This study is good preliminary data, but limited in scope”.

    It’s not as if mutants and knock-ins don’t have their own foibles, eg strain specific effects. Will reviewers soon be insisting in F4 outcross data repeatable in 2 or more lines only?

    Yes, everyone starting a project now will probably be working on raising the TALEN/CRISPR mutants in tandem with the MO. However there’s a lot of good science with rescue data out there from small labs which don’t have the manpower or space for mutants which would be consigned to the scrap heap (or “low impact” journals).

    What about the growing number of anecdotes telling of induced zebrafish mutants which have no phenotype whatsoever? None, nada. Is this due to compensation from the other zebrafish allele(s), or does it mean induced mutations aren’t generally sufficient to disrupt gene expression? Are Zebrafish a good model anymore? Will this bring another fish model to the fore? What about Xenopus tropicalis? They’re genome is undiplicated and diploid. What if an advantage MO’s have is that they target both alleles simultaneously?

    Furthermore, what about tissue specific knockdown with MOs using targeted injections – a technique which is a mainstay of the Xenopus system. Cre-lox systems are not without their own downsides, so this approach could consign a major feature of a model system to the history books – unfairly, in my view.

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  3. I would like to add a few considerations to this discussion.

    The authors of the paper argue that: “However, the description of a phenotype that is provided for the first time and that is based solely on MOs without the ability to compare with a genetic mutant, should in the future be viewed very critically.”

    But should actually the description of morpholino phenotypes be viewed more critically than they had to be viewed before the advent of the new genomic technologies? I think that such a position is unjustified. The morpholino technology is as good or bad as it used to be one or two or more years ago, so we have to be exactly as critical as before, but it makes no logical sense to be more critical.

    Should reviewers and the community rather trust a loss-of-function phenotype in the actual TALEN/CRISPR-injected embryos or a morpholino experiment in the actual morpholino-injected embryos? I think until we have a quantitative understanding of the side-effects of these technologies, there is no big difference. One would want to see at least two different morpholinos or TALENS showing the same phenotype, not seen with a control, or a rescue experiment.

    I would also like to point out one important use of morpholinos (at least for my lab), namely to test the specificity of newly generated antibodies. We routinely generate neuron-type-specific antibodies to study neuroanatomy and then use morpholinos for specificity tests. As long as we see the loss of immunostaining with two different morpholinos, we don’t worry too much about the side effects. I certainly would be rather nervous if a reviewer asked me to do a proper knock-out for such an experiment.

    It is also important to remind the reader that morpholinos are widely used outside fish, in particular by the sea urchin community. Since it is not possible to rear a sea urchin through the entire life cycle, one cannot obtain mutant lines. The only way is to use the actual injected embryos. If one cannot obtain a super-efficinet nuclease, still the best way for LOF analyses is to use morpholinos.

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  4. The use of new techniques always comes with new potential insights – so is the case with zinc-finger nucleases, TALENs and CRISPR – which surely have revolutionized the way we plan and conduct studies these days.
    BUT: we always have to remember to take into account that these new techniques are still in development, and compared with the number of studies using MOs the data set is still rather small.

    From my point of view there are a couple of considerations about gene-targeting approaches that should be taken into account:

    – 1st: the big advantage of genome editing tools like TALENs / CRISPR is that you can target every genome; but at the same time (and as mentioned in the post above) not in all systems we are able to generate a line in a reasonable time and back-cross it as suggested in the text. In some species we just lack the knowledge/technique to raise embryos to adulthood for example. In other cases it would take a very long time to establish a line and then back-cross and wait for generation 2 or 3 for the actual analysis, e.g. Xenopus is such a case. In the latter case it would require an international initiative and big investments into resource centers to do that sort of work – in my opinion- , as it would be not very efficient (timewise and economically) for smaller/mid-size labs.

    – 2nd: TALEN/CRISPR targeting is not “knock-out”, at least most of the times. You induce lesions in the gene of interest, and the site of disruption is in part dictated by the presence of specific nucleotide combinations, which are required for the design of e.g. a working guide RNA. So, in many cases we actually don`t know what we are generating by targeting that gene. It might be a situation comparable to a full knock-out, but we might also change protein function, e.g. by generating hypomorphic allels, dominant-negative acting versions of the proteins, or even more difficult to interpret variants. In conclusion one would need to have at least two independent lines, targeting different sites of the gene, generating different types of mutations, and which would still give the exactly same phenotype. I would bet that in many cases one would end up with the same result as the CRISPR vs MO comparison – in many cases you would have the same phenotype, and in many cases you would have some degree of differences, and in a few cases you would have very different effects. Then, we would have to come to a standard approach similar to biological replicates – at least 3 independent lines, two of which should have the same effect to make a convincing case. And here it already starts to get a bit complicated on the practical side of things (requiring rather large facilities to house many lines, which will need back crossing and so on…) – one lab would have to invest a lot of time, money and space before starting to analyze the phenotypes – a huge gamble for most labs.

    – 3rd: MOs are very useful tools as they can be injected in various amounts, and therefore be used in lower amounts to address the functions of genese, which would be lethal during early development when removed altogether by full knock-out (in addition to specific targeted injections, e.g. in Xenopus, which are a great tool!).

    The above thoughts come to my mind immediately whan thinking about gene targeting strategies and their development over the past few years. In addition some of the standard thoughts were mentioned in the posts or the text already (e.g. off-target effects of CRISPRs). Also, the field was moving forward is such speed over the past years, that we cannot be sure that the CRISPR technology which is now regarded as the way to go, will be the gene targeting technology we will all be using in 2, 3, 4 years… Just think about the half-life of zinc finger nucleases and how many people work with them today… basically the same thing happened to TALENs, which work great, but CRISPR seems to be a bit cheaper and a bit faster, and all of a sudden everybody is using CRISPR and less TALENs… what will be the next hype? do we have to follow it? when our next paper will be rejected for having only CRISPR data and not a combination of CRISPR, MO and TALEN results? …in short: we might easily push it all a bit far, and therefore massively slow down the speed of our research (and the research of people who’s papers we are reviewing), which is a dangerous thing in times of short funding cycles.

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  5. Thanks for the comments. Just to say that this Opinion piece does not reflect journal policy. We do agree with many of the sentiments expressed by Stefan and Didier in terms of the problems with morpholino-based experiments and the potential of CRISPR technology to provide cleaner genetic data. However, we also recognise that there are many experiments that (at least for the moment) can be tackled using MO approaches but not using other techniques, and that properly controlled MO experiments can provide valuable insights.
    I do think that CRISPR technology is here to stay – its success in a wide range of model systems in such a short time has been immensely impressive. But that’s not to say that it’s perfect, or that new technologies won’t improve on or complement the CRISPR system.

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  6. Dear Katherine,

    I think the issue of ‘properly controled’ is where the problem with morpholinos lies. When Judith Eisen and Jim Smith published their editorial guidelines in Development a few years ago, these recommendations made a lot of sense at the time: use mRNA rescue, and use a combination of ATG/UTR and splice donor/splice acceptor MOs. By now we have learned that mRNA rescue can be misleading, and that there is no reliable way to test ATG or UTR morpholinos either: we have, in my lab, cloned MO-binding sites in front of a GFP cassette and tested whether MOs co-injected with the corresponding mRNA will block the appearance of fluorescence. This has worked in every single case attempted (!), which basically means that it is not a useful control. Hence, in the absence of an antibody against most targeted gene products, this only leaves splice donor or splice acceptor MOs, whose efficacy can be controlled for by RT-PCR. In our hands, these ‘work’ about 60% of the time, which means one has to order 3 or 4 MOs to be sure to get a pair of MOs that shows an effect on the molecular level. In our experience, it is more time- and cost-efficient to generate TALENs. But even if this was not the case: my main point here is that while it is possible to control for the intended efficacy of MOs (i.e. a effect on the intended target mRNA as tested by RT-PCR), it is impossible to control for unspecific effects. As long as the ‘proper controls’ are unable to discriminate between specific effect und unspecific side-effect, morpholinos will continue to be difficult reagents.

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  7. I was concerned when Stefan Schulte-Merker and Didier Stainier’ paper appeared in mid-2014, first in Development and then on The Node. Later in 2014 Nathan Lawson’s paper in Developmental Cell was published. Prior to these papers I was intrigued and excited by CRISPR technology but felt that, while it might temporarily displace some use of Morpholinos, in the long run it would benefit Morpholino use by making the zebrafish model stronger. However, the tone of these publications concerned me as the authors suggested that no Morpholino data is strong unless it agrees with CRISPR data (that is, unless the Morpholinos have been validated by phenocopying CRISPR knockouts).

    I attended the Strategic Conference of Zebrafish Investigators meeting in January of 2015 at Asilomar in Pacific Grove, California. In the first morning sessions Dr. Nathan Lawson presented his data, followed by Dr. Didier Stainier. Dr. Lawson asserted that CRISPR knockouts were the gold standard to which all other expression-altering technologies should be compared. He tried to persuade the audience that if a Morpholino failed to phenocopy a CRISPR knockout then the data from the Morpholino were wrong, and that only “validated” (CRISPR-phenocopying) Morpholinos should be used.

    Dr. Lawson’s presentation was followed by Dr. Stainier. Dr. Stainier presented array studies of CRISPR mutants which did not recapitulate the knockdown phenotypes of morphants. He showed that there were widespread changes in gene expression in the mutants relative to wild-type and suggested that the failure to phenocopy was due to compensation by the mutants; He suggested that in seeking homeostasis the mutants were obscuring the knockdown phenotype by altering expression of other genes. He suggested that while Morpholinos may sometimes present false positives, CRISPRs tend to present false negatives.

    After Dr. Stainier’s presentation the community had a one-hour discussion titled “Mutants vs. Morphants”. In general the community was very supportive of the existing Morpholino-based body of data and did not agree that future work with Morpholinos should only be accepted if the knockdowns are validated against CRISPR mutants. They pointed out that the problems with Morpholinos are well known and that with good experimental design and strong controls you can be confident of your results. They admonished Dr. Lawson’s use of words like “rigor” and “gold standard” applied to CRISPRs, asserting that these terms were inflammatory and prejudicial and could inappropriately influence reviewers and study section leaders, especially those without strong bench experience with knockdowns and mutants. The last community member to speak said that it makes no sense to refer to “mutants” as if they are simply knockouts, that instead there is a range of alleles with different characteristics for every gene locus and that the CRISPR mutants would be expected to have a range of expression as do natural alleles. The community agreed that a paper should be produced stating that Morpholinos can stand on their own as a tool to interrogate gene function and delineating some community standards for use and comparison of mutants and morphants.

    The strong support of the zebrafish community has eased my concerns over the future acceptance of Morpholino data for grants and publications. With strong specificity controls (particularly the two-nonoverlapping-oligo approach) to eliminate false positives, the data produced by Morpholinos are not only as reliable as CRISPRs but can reveal functions of genes which a corresponding CRISPR mutant might obscure by compensation. Morpholinos are a fast method and, when lab worker costs are included, are as inexpensive as the mutation methods. There are many functions you can perform with a Morpholino which a CRISPR mutation cannot do: splice redirection, blocking poly-A signal sites, protecting miRNA target sites, blocking zipcode binding sequences, and the other molecular “masking tape” approaches available at the RNA level. I expect that the CRISPR-Morpholino controversy will still take some time to play out, but the reviewers and study section leaders will soon understand that Morpholinos are still the best available technology for RNA-level manipulations and are not expected to phenocopy all outcomes of DNA manipulations.

    Schulte-Merker S, Stainier DY. Out with the old, in with the new: reassessing morpholino knockdowns in light of genome editing technology. Development. 2014 Aug;141(16):3103-4. doi: 10.1242/dev.112003.

    Schulte-Merker and Stanier on The Node:

    Kok FO, Shin M, Ni C-W, Gupta A, Grosse AS, van Impel A, Kirchmaier BC, Peterson-Maduro J, Kourkoulis G, Male I, DeSantis DF, Sheppard-Tindell S, Ebarasi L, Betsholtz C, Schulte-Merker S, Wolfe SA, Lawson ND. Reverse Genetic Screening Reveals Poor Correlation between Morpholino-Induced and Mutant Phenotypes in Zebrafish. Dev Cell. 2014;[Epub ahead of print] doi:10.1016/j.devcel.2014.11.018.

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  8. I should point out that I have been an employee of Gene Tools for over 15 years, offering technical support, attending conferences, developing new products and curating Morpholino citations among other tasks; therefore I have a fiduciary interest in the use of Morpholino technology as well as long familiarity with and enthusiasm for Morpholinos.

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  9. In our local fish community at the CABD we are currently using both morpholinos and now CRISPr approaches. Recently, we have discussed the paper published in Developmental Cell by Kok et. al. (Lawson’s group), which concerns the poor correlation between mutant and MO-induced phenotypes.

    All the people participating in the journal club agreed on the general consensus of MO-based studies potentially leading to “false positives”, and the discussion “Mutants vs Morphants” proceeded along the same lines of Asilomar’s discussion (see Jon Moulton post above).

    However I would like to comment here on a particular aspect of this issue that I think may be important. That is, the unclear molecular nature of the MOs off-target effects. Are these off-target effects due to interference with specific off-target genes? If this were the case, a broad range of “fake phenotypes” should be expected as the off-target effects would depend on the specific sequence of the MO injected. In an alternative hypothesis, off-target effects may derive from sequence-independent interference with general gene expression mechanisms (either RNA-dependent or not).

    I personally feel that the list of the “fake” MOs-induced phenotypes described in Kok’s paper (i.e. ISV stalling, gastrulation defects, short axis, curved trunk, heart edema, necrosis, etc.) does not represents the full spectrum of the MO-induced phenotypes described in the literature. This observation supports the notion of a sequence-independent false positive effect. As an example, very little is known about the mechanism by which MOs induce p53 activation. These global effects on translation, splicing, etc., which is indeed discussed in Kok’s paper, may have important consequences on the evaluation of the specificity of a MO-induced phenotype.

    Whereas certain phenotypes may be frequently induced by MO injection (i.e. short axis, heart edema, stalled ISV, etc.), suggesting an off-target effect, other “unusual” phenotypes may serve as an indication of gene-specific interference (provided that all the necessary controls are also included in the study, of course).

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  10. Now there are published data addressing gene compensation in zebrafish mutants compared to Morpholino knockdowns. If you want to know the function of a gene, it may be clearer to assess it without a background of altered gene expression (compensation).

    Rossi A, Kontarakis Z, Gerri C, Nolte H, Hölper S, Krüger M, Stainier DYR. Genetic compensation induced by deleterious mutations but not gene knockdowns. Nature. 2015;[Epub ahead of print] doi:10.1038/nature14580

    Hesman Saey T. Mutation-disease link masked in zebrafish. ScienceNews. 2015;July 13

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  11. “Here, we argue that Kok et al. should not be taken as an argument to ban the first-time use of MOs. Instead, adequately controlled MOs should continue to be accepted as generic loss-of-function approach in the absence of genetic evidence, if progress in developmental biology is not to suffer.”

    “MOs have many unique advantages that should not be given up lightly, given the wealth of insight, which has been and will be generated with them. Banning the use of MOs by reviewers and editors would cause great harm to developmental biology, not least to the zebrafish research community, where many of the novel MO techniques were pioneered.”

    Blum M, De Robertis EM, Wallingford JB, Niehrs C. Morpholinos: Antisense and Sensibility. Dev Cell. 2015;35(2):145-9. doi:10.1016/j.devcel.2015.09.017

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